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Supreme Court Upholds Law Aimed at Child Pornography

Postby oneangrygirl » Mon May 19, 2008 3:51 pm

Supreme Court Upholds Law Aimed at Child Pornography

By DAVID STOUT
Published: May 20, 2008
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday upheld a 2003 federal law aimed at child pornography, concluding in a 7-to-2 opinion that a federal appeals court was wrong to find the law unconstitutionally vague.

The law in question arose from a sensible, constitutionally acceptable approach by Congress to correct faults that the high court found in an earlier child-pornography law, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote for the court.

“Child pornography harms and debases the most defenseless of our citizens,” Justice Scalia wrote. “Both the state and federal governments have sought to suppress it for many years, only to find it proliferating through the new medium of the Internet.”

The ruling scathingly rejected contentions that the 2003 legislation was so broadly written that it could make it a crime to share or even describe depictions of children in explicit sexual situations, even if the depictions are inaccurate, the children do not really exist and the intention is innocent.

Invalidation of a law because it is thought to be too broad is “strong medicine” that is not to be “casually employed,” Justice Scalia wrote, citing earlier Supreme Court rulings and declaring that the United States Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit had employed the strong medicine too casually in the case at hand.

Monday’s decision in United States v. Williams reinstated the conviction of Michael Williams of Florida, who was caught in a federal undercover operation in April 2004 and found guilty later of “pandering” child pornography, a charge defined in part as promoting or distributing real or “purported” material in a way that reflects the belief — or is intended to persuade another — that the material is indeed child pornography.

Mr. Williams was nabbed offering to trade nude pictures of his young daughter and other forms of child pornography in an Internet chat room. He did not actually have pictures of his daughter, but he did have 22 pornographic images of other children on his computer hard drive. He pleaded guilty to possessing that material, which has long been a crime, and was sentenced to five years in prison. That aspect of the case against him was not part of the Supreme Court argument.

Instead, lawyers on his behalf challenged the “pandering” charge, which also carries a five-year sentence, asserting that it was so “overly broad” as to violate the First Amendment guarantee of free speech. The 11th Circuit found that argument persuasive, reasoning that offering a copy of “Snow White” on false claims that it depicts minors engaging in sex could be construed as criminal behavior.

But Justice Scalia dismissed the 11th Circuit’s finding, its reliance on what he considered far-fetched hypothetical situations and the notion that the statute under review would cause all sorts of fact-finding problems. Judges and juries are routinely called upon to assess difficult issues of fact and intent involving charges like conspiracy, incitement and solicitation, he wrote.

“Offers to engage in illegal transactions are categorically excluded from First Amendment protection,” Justice Scalia wrote.

In 2002, with Justice Scalia in dissent, the court struck down a law that made it a crime to create, distribute or possess “virtual” child pornography that uses computer-generated images or young-looking adults rather than real children.

The 2003 law was a reasonable legislative remedy to whatever defects existed in the invalidated law, Justice Scalia wrote, although he alluded dryly to the law’s “unlikely title,” the Prosecutorial Remedies and other Tools to end the Exploitation of Children Today Act, which can be rendered by a politically attractive acronym, the Protect Act.

As Justice Scalia noted on Monday, the Supreme Court has held that the government can criminalize the mere possession of actual child pornography, as distinct from mere possession of pornography involving adults.

Justice Scalia’s opinion not only swept aside the defendant’s contention that the law as written was too vague but said it made no difference whether the pornography was offered for sale or was promoted as being free. Consider a drug case, he suggested: “It would be an odd constitutional principle that permitted the government to prohibit offers to sell illegal drugs, but not offers to give them away for free.”

Joining the opinion were Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices John Paul Stevens, Anthony M. Kennedy, Clarence Thomas, Stephen G. Breyer and Samuel A. Alito Jr.

Justices David H. Souter and Ruth Bader Ginsburg dissented, with Justice Souter writing that promoting images that are not real children engaging in pornography still could be prosecuted under the law at issue.
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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Law Aimed at Child Pornography

Postby Andrew » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:05 am

"Justices David H. Souter and Ruth Bader Ginsburg dissented, with Justice Souter writing that promoting images that are not real children engaging in pornography still could be prosecuted under the law at issue."
So what's wrong with prosecuting those cases, too?
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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Law Aimed at Child Pornography

Postby SaltyC » Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:30 am

Five years is way too short a sentence for possession and for promoting child porn.
And according to someone I know who did 3 years in federal prison on an 8-year drug charge, the pedophiles get special treatment in jail to protect them from the other inmates, contrary to popular belief.
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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Law Aimed at Child Pornography

Postby delphyne » Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:21 am

I don't know if it's the same in the US (it probably is) but in the UK child porn charges are used against paedophiles as an easy way to get a conviction when they've been raping children, because of the supposed difficulties of getting solid witness evidence from abused children.

Someone I know whose husband works with paedophiles in prison, reports that he says most of them are nice people. :? Guess if you're not a child being raped by them they are probably lovely.
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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Law Aimed at Child Pornography

Postby SaltyC » Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:22 pm

Someone I know who worked to get pedophiles convicted also said they were the "nicest" guys you'd ever meet.: warm, affable. I can't say this goes against popular depictions because I can't think of any characters on TV or movies portraying pedophiles.
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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Law Aimed at Child Pornography

Postby delphyne » Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:08 am

Was it a man who was saying that, SaltyC?

The paedophile I knew (who abused my friend from being a little girl) was the archetypal paedophile - ill-fitting ginger wig, small piggy eyes, pasty face, and the creepiest demeanour you'll ever come across. I remember once when I was about seventeen trying to keep a table between me and him, not because he was doing anything in particular, but just because of the awful vibe coming off him.

The reason I'm asking is that men's idea of nice is very different from everybody else's because they aren't in any danger from them.
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Re: Supreme Court Upholds Law Aimed at Child Pornography

Postby SaltyC » Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:41 pm

No, it was a woman. But I don't think it was a generalization; just the ones she turned in. But she didn't mean it with any sympathy for them, just a kind of warning that you can't be too sure of the nice guys.
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