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# 1 Soap The Young & The Restless Normalizes Porn Use!

Postby fullhumanity » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:46 pm

:evil: Starting in March 2007 the # 1 soap The Young & The Restless began a storyline of 20 year old married Daniel married to 19 year old Lili and he gets introduced to porn by his friend Amber who runs and stars in her own porn site. He becomes addicted and obessed with online porn until he progresses to watching hardcore videos even at work when he's alone in an office!

His wife eventually finds out and she's upset but she's presented as only being upset that he's looking at all of these beautiful women,not sexist harms to women! When Lili tells her father Neil who is a kind successful businessman that she's upset about Daniel looking at porn,all he says to her is I know it sounds bad,but a lot of people look at porn especially guys like it's no big deal! Amber's husband who doesn't know that Amber stars in her own porn site,says to her that his friend made a porno with his wife and another woman.

Daniel's friend Kevin tells him that he should ask Lili to watch the pornography with her to spice up their sex life. And Amber's friend Alison a character on As The World Turns,comes to visit Amber and Alison is a porn star in Vegas,but we don't learn this until she's back on As The World Turns.Alison used to be played by a different acterss years ago and she left and the character of Alison moved to another sate and so when she's reintroduced she's a crystal meth addicted porn star! On The Young & The Restless Amber and Alison do a sexy fake lesbian dance with their bodies close together while Amber's soon to be husband watches which comes directly from porn.

On As The World Turns Alison's older sister Emily who is really her mother because her egg was implanted into Emily's mother, and who is working as a prostitute for a short time even though she has a good job running a newspaper,watches Alison on a porn video that her John showed her and she realizes it's Alison. Emily's prostitution was presented as an empowering experience in some ways although she gets brutally beaten up by one of her John's.

Alison says to Emily when she mildly criticizes her for being in porn,that she has a mistaken idea of what working in a sex film is like,she says it's very professional and that she gets payed to do what the scene requires. She also said to Emily that Lance her porn agent and producer said to her that porn is adult entertainment and she said he gets to her like that. Alison eventually gets off drugs and out of porn. But the real issues about it of course were never addressed.

Disturbingly on the Young & The Restless fan message boards many women were saying that Lili was too prudish to watch pornography with Daniel,another woman said whats wrong with a little porn,and another woman said that she pops good old porn into the DVD player herself and watches it with her husband. Another woman said she knows plenty of people guys and girls who like to watch porn. Another woman says a lot of people like to watch porn men and women. And another woman says she loves porn and she unlike a lot of women watches it with her boyfriend and she said most men have to throw their stash away when they get married.

And a young guy on The Internet Movie Data Base which unfortunately also reviews hardcore porn videos including even Deep Throat, said he has never had a sexual relationship with a woman before but he's learned a lot of neat things about sex from pornography and that he knows a lot of couples who watch it together.

I wrote a protest email to The Young & The Restless and told them about Jackson Katz's great book The Macho Paradox and the important information he writes about the harms of pornography. I told them that maybe they can redeem themselves and get me be back as a over 20 year viewer if they do a show that addresses the sexism and woman hatred in pornography and women and children who have been victimized by boys and men who use it! They ignored me of course but then they lost a long time viewer for good! I haven't taped or watched the show since April!

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Postby sam » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:58 pm

I'm always tempted to ask women what the last porn film they watched was titled when they tell me they watch porn. It's sexysassy to watch porn but few women are willing to say the titles outloud.

I want to know the name of the last fuckumentary they fingered themselves to and I want to know if they creamed when the 'bottom bitch' got a squirt of semen in the eyes or if it was when the man was slapping her face with his penis as she hungrily tried to stuff it back in her mouth. They think they're being openminded and sexee until I ask a few blunt questions, then their cheeks flush and they can't remember exact titles and try to change the subject, usually to how much the women in porn like making it cause HBO said so and premium tv wouldn't lie.
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Postby fullhumanity » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:17 pm

Sam,thank you for your reply :) Ann Simonton the director of Media Watch told me that research shows that when women watch porn it's usually because a male partner introduced them to it which is what you experienced yourself.

As I said on here in one of my posts in the Articles section,for any woman to watch pornography either alone or with her male partner,is exactly like a black woman watching and getting off to racist pornography with a white boyfriend or husband,and a Jew watching and getting off to anti-semetic pornography with her German or Christian boyfriend or husband! There is *no* difference! Please use this important analogy with those women you have met. And also that pornography makes sexist inequality,dehumanization of women,woman hatred,and male supremacy sexy!

Also the pornography itself teaches these false beliefs that men smacking women's faces with their penises isn't really sexual violence against women because it's consensual the women want and like this! There was an article by Alan something a movie professor from Australia I don't remember his last name I think it was something like Mguee but I'm spelling it wrong,wrote a ludicrous article that was published disturbingly by The Journal of Sex Research and he made absurd claims that women are not sexually objectified in pornography but that they are the ones in the drivers seat! :evil:

He also normalized sick damaging S&M as long as it's "consensual" and he also doesn't consider men slapping women's faces with their penises sexual violence against women,and he listed how many scenes had each act and he counted how many had women's faces slapped with a man's penis like it's normal! But he thinks that it's normal and that it's not sexual violence against women because he was taught that women like and enjoy this and he was taught this from the damn pornography!
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Postby CoolAunt » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:32 pm

sam wrote:I'm always tempted to ask women what the last porn film they watched was titled when they tell me they watch porn. It's sexysassy to watch porn but few women are willing to say the titles outloud.

I want to know the name of the last fuckumentary they fingered themselves to and I want to know if they creamed when the 'bottom bitch' got a squirt of semen in the eyes or if it was when the man was slapping her face with his penis as she hungrily tried to stuff it back in her mouth. They think they're being openminded and sexee until I ask a few blunt questions, then their cheeks flush and they can't remember exact titles and try to change the subject, usually to how much the women in porn like making it cause HBO said so and premium tv wouldn't lie.

That's too good, Sam. Just like your suggestion to *be a pal and suck it for him* to guys defending other guys' basic human (read: male) need for sex and therefore using prostitutes, it leaves no room for the bullshit justifications or even just the bullshit. How do you do it? Aw, nevermind. Just keep sharing it here because I'm borrowing this just as I borrowed the *suck it for him* response. I can't wait. teehee! :lol:
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Postby delphyne » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:31 am

I borrowed the "carers should volunteer for sexual services" argument just the other day to use against some sanctimonious knob who was boasting about how all the disabled men he'd volunteered to help when he was at college had been given access to prostitutes. It really pissed him off. :mrgreen:

I can think of a few women I can ask this question to as well. Your arguments are brilliant Sam.
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Postby fullhumanity » Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:12 am

And I think the analogy *I* gave about Jews watching anti-semetic pornography with Christian and German partners and Blacks watching racist pornography with white partners being the same thing as women watching pornography by themselves or with a male partner was brilliant too!

Also I was really hoping that CoolAunt and Delphyne would respond to what I wrote including about The Young & The Restless and As The World Turns normalizing and promoting pornography use and porn "stars". Many women have told Dr.Gail Dines and Dr.Chyng Sun that their boyfriends and husbands are constantly asking them to do the things they see in pornography! I have read many women on message boards saying that their pornography using boyfriends and husbands are constantly asking them to let them f*ck them in the ass and ejaculate on their faces and bodies etc!

I have also read on many message boards men asking how they can get their girlfriends and wives to take facials like in the porn videos.One guy wrote on a "adult" site in an advice section,that his girlfriend was always wild in bed,and he couldn't understand it when she freaked out and left him after he pulled out and ejaculated on her face and hair! He said he watches a lot of porn videos and the porn stars just love the facials!
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Postby RGM » Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:46 am

fullhumanity wrote:One guy wrote on a "adult" site in an advice section,that his girlfriend was always wild in bed,and he couldn't understand it when she freaked out and left him after he pulled out and ejaculated on her face and hair! He said he watches a lot of porn videos and the porn stars just love the facials!


What a loser.
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Postby fullhumanity » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:47 am

RGM,

Loser is way too mild,he's a typical sick porn conditioned consumer!
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Postby delphyne » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:57 am

fullhumanity wrote:And I think the analogy *I* gave about Jews watching anti-semetic pornography with Christian and German partners and Blacks watching racist pornography with white partners being the same thing as women watching pornography by themselves or with a male partner was brilliant too!

Also I was really hoping that CoolAunt and Delphyne would respond to what I wrote including about The Young & The Restless and As The World Turns normalizing and promoting pornography use and porn "stars". Many women have told Dr.Gail Dines and Dr.Chyng Sun that their boyfriends and husbands are constantly asking them to do the things they see in pornography! I have read many women on message boards saying that their pornography using boyfriends and husbands are constantly asking them to let them f*ck them in the ass and ejaculate on their faces and bodies etc!

I have also read on many message boards men asking how they can get their girlfriends and wives to take facials like in the porn videos.One guy wrote on a "adult" site in an advice section,that his girlfriend was always wild in bed,and he couldn't understand it when she freaked out and left him after he pulled out and ejaculated on her face and hair! He said he watches a lot of porn videos and the porn stars just love the facials!


Yes it was brilliant. :mrgreen:

Sorry I didn't mean to ignore your initial post, it's just that the normalisation of porn depresses me so much it sometimes leaves me speechless. There is so much denial around about it - like Sam says, everybody claiming how much they love it when they know exactly what it contains and how abusive it is to women. How someone reconciles those things in their minds is actually a bit of a mystery to me.

I hang around on a few mainstream women's forums to do exactly as you are doing - put the alternative point of view. It usually leads to a few women speaking up over the din of "all men do it" and "what's the harm?", because deep down women know this stuff is shit and damaging to them. Even when I was into porn (not heavily or anything, I just didn't object to it) in my early twenties, I knew the truth, the problem was I didn't know how to express it.

The worst example I've seen lately was a woman talking about how her husband likes for her to lie on her back while he gets on top of her and f*cks her mouth (her words), she said, "sometimes it's OK to be treated like an object". How do women get that brainwashed that they can ignore not just their feelings but the actual physical sensations that having your mouth, throat and head used like that would cause, all in order to keep their man happy? I hope that guy falls off a cliff. It's porn telling men it's OK to do this shit - they wouldn't dare otherwise, or at least not in the numbers they are now. Then the soaps tell women that this is the way they deserve to be treated and everything in the patriarchy is as it should be.
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Postby CoolAunt » Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:21 am

fh, I just don't have anything to say about it. Maybe it's because my opinion of soap operas is damned near as low as my opinion of porn and I have to fight with myself not to have as low an opinion of soap opera viewers, too. :shock: I don't know. Soaps and porn are both just offensive, woman-hating bullshit to me. So, why not soaps and porn, skipping along merrily, hand in hand? May as well throw in the Maury show since they share the same audience anyway.
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Postby fullhumanity » Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:27 am

:) Dalphyne,

Thank you for your nice response. I read on Ivillage a few months ago on the topic of anal sh*thole sex,a woman says that she doesn't really like it and it can hurt,and she feels like she's being treated like an object but her boyfriend likes it so she does it anyway :evil:

Also I read on a relationships web site when they were talking about pornography,and a guy said that he and other men he knew wanted to only ejaculate inside the woman's vagina, before they ever saw porn,and that it never had occurred or appealed to them to ejaculate on a woman's face and body until they saw it in pornography!
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Postby CoolAunt » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:39 am

Uh-oh. Did I put my foot in my mouth big time? Do you watch soap operas, fh? If so, I'm sorry. I wasn't out to insult or offend you. Honestly. I would never think that someone like yourself who thinks outside the malestream would be the even least bit interested or entertained by soaps. You're way smarter than that.

I watched soaps as a teen. At about 21, I got pissed off at them for consistently insulting my intelligence and for assuming that I have memory problems. I mean, how many times can the viewer accept that a character they saw dying and dead a few months or years ago wasn't actually killed but instead was inflicted with anmesia, causing her to forget where to switch trains to get home and returned just today after spending all of that time as a bum, living in the subway system. Worse still are the numbers of soap characters who are one of a set of twins separated at birth but never knew it because the twin didn't arrive on the scene until months after their death, which is too bad because mysterious, unknown twin has come to stay for good at the hospital or town or cul-de-sac of the deceased twin. :pukeright: How does the audience tolerate being insulted that way?

Anyway, rant off. I apologize if I offended, insulted or hurt you. No matter how low my opinion of soaps, I honestly didn't mean to hurt you.
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Postby fullhumanity » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:57 am

:) CoolAunt,

Yes I confess my radical feminist self does like to watch some soaps,( I never watch talk shows though!)but only the ones on CBS(the ones on ABC and NBC or very stupid!),Guiding Light,As The World Turns and I used to watch The Young & The Restless for over 20 years and taped it for over 5 years until April I stopped watching it after they normalized and glamorized using pornography!

Actually the soaps on CBS are pretty intelligently written and yes I can see through past that they refleft in some way the sexist gender stereotyped society we live in,but at least they all show women who are strong,beautiful and intelligent and most have good careers like lawyers and doctors,and businesswomen, and when are shown as sexual we see them as full human people in every other way,not just and only things to f*ck* for men's pleasure! And men and women are actually relating to each other on a human level as humanbeings,unlike in pornography!

Also The Young & The Restles in the 1980's and 1990's actually did some great responsible social issues shows,they showed a date rape in 1989 realistically and how damaging it was to the victim and infact the character Christine who had been a model,became a lawyer because of her date rape. They showed the harmful effects of alcoholism,wife beating and sexual harassment on the job,so I was really disappointed and upset with them that they didn't show the reality of the sexist harms of pornography.

I told them this in my email to them,that they had done responsible shows in the past dealing realistically with the harm of those other issues,and I told them maybe they would redeem themselves and get me back as a long time viewer if they do a show on the reality of the sexism and woman hatred in pornography and about women and children who have been victimed by boys and men who use it! I also sent them articles and and interview with former all star highshool football player and anti-sexist anti-male violence eductor Jackson Katz on the sexist harms of pornography,they ignored me of course but they lost a viewer for good too!

The main reason I like to watch soaps is that everyone men and women are are dysfunctional people with problems! :lol:
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Postby Evo » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:25 pm

FH,

I don't watch soaps either, but I am not surprised by this. EVERYTHING glorifies porn nowadays.

Your statements about the women on the message boards actually kind of reminded me of a website I found awhile ago where people can post relationship problems and get advise from other users. (enotalone)

There are so many posts on there about porn causing problems in relationships. I always found it shocking that not only men were telling these women to "get over it, stop being such a prude and do what your man wants" but that there are actually WOMEN on there dishing out the same advise. I stopped going on there for fear of violating the terms of use or whatever, but I think I might just venture over there and flame the shit out of some of these assholes as stress relief until I get kicked off :twisted:
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Postby fullhumanity » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:33 am

Evo,

Please go to www. pornstarbook.com to see tons of big close up hardcore free pictures with all the known porn "stars" and see the sick,damaging,woman hating,dehumanizing degrading sexist shit thats being glorified everywhere :evil: :evil: And Nastyboards.com the # 1 porn board online,where there are sadly a few women saying they love porn,with portrayals and descriptions like this,a young white bitch being pounded by a huge black c*ck which is shown in graphic free pictures from the videos and you have to be a member to watch the videos.

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Postby StuartM » Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:44 am

I looked at the ivillage site you mentioned and it's really depressing to read some of the posts in the sex boards in which men openly describe all the horrible degrading things they've seen in pornography and want to do to women and then lots of female members come in and post about how much they "enjoy" being subjected to it. One man even seriously asked whether or not it would be "ok" for him to ejaculate all over his wife's face even after she'd explicitly refused to let him do so. While most of the respondents told him to talk to her again none saw a problem with what he wanted to do in the first place.
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Postby fullhumanity » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:23 pm

StuarM,

When you say you went to the Ivillage site I mentioned,that was about shithole sex,where did you see a discussion about men wanting to do the things they saw in pornography on Ivillage? I've seen this on many other message boards and sites though.
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Postby StuartM » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:57 pm

fullhumanity wrote:StuarM,

When you say you went to the Ivillage site I mentioned,that was about shithole sex,where did you see a discussion about men wanting to do the things they saw in pornography on Ivillage? I've seen this on many other message boards and sites though.

I just read some of the typical discussions on the sex section of the boards and they included men talking about lots of acts they'd obviously seen in pornography and enjoyed subjecting their partners to, or wanted advice about how they could make them agree to it.

Go to http:// love.ivillage.com/messageboards#6qsx1q8x and click on some of the topic areas in the "sex" section at the bottom, some of the worst posts are under "basics of sex", "oral sex" and "pornography and your relationship".
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Postby fullhumanity » Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:25 pm

StuartM wrote:I looked at the ivillage site you mentioned and it's really depressing to read some of the posts in the sex boards in which men openly describe all the horrible degrading things they've seen in pornography and want to do to women and then lots of female members come in and post about how much they "enjoy" being subjected to it. One man even seriously asked whether or not it would be "ok" for him to ejaculate all over his wife's face even after she'd explicitly refused to let him do so. While most of the respondents told him to talk to her again none saw a problem with what he wanted to do in the first place.



Yes and isn't this really scary and disturbing! Most of the message board discussions I have seen the women say they feel it's disgusting and degrading for men to ejaculate on their faces and they don't want it. A few years ago I found two different message board discussions posted in 2003 about where are men getting the idea to ejaculate on women's faces,and the majority of men and women said that it comes from pornography.

Men and women said they feel it's degrading and many women said they feel it's disgusting too. One poster said that there are plenty of things that are just as demeaning and damaging in pornography as the men ejaculating on women's faces. A guy said he thinks pornography has been a big normalizer of anal (shithole sex) and he's very right!

On the old Ms.Magazine board there was once a discussion posted I think in 2004 about how women could tell that their boyfriends and husbands were using pornography and what kinds of ideas they got from it and asked the women to try. One woman said some of the things her boyfriend who was a regular porn user asked her to do repulsed her. I knew she must have been talking about men ejaculating on a woman's face or breasts,and sure enough she posted again under another woman's comments and she said sarcastically,Oh you mean I don't want you to ejaculate all over my face!? How shocking!

Another woman in the same discussion said she's very concerned that teen and young men are using pornography as a reference guide and it's all wrong. She said I mean most women do not want their boyfriends to spray their jisim all over a woman's face and breasts,she said most women find this extremely disgusting and degrading!
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Postby CoolAunt » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:05 pm

I always call iVillage *idiotVillage.* You know, like the village idiot but in the case of iVillage, all of the villagers are idiots. :P
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