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Playboy buys business founded by porn star Jameson

Postby CoolAunt » Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:09 pm

I hate Hugh Hefner. I hope his old dick falls off. :twisted:

http://today.reuters.com/stocks/QuoteCo ... XML&rpc=66

LOS ANGELES, June 22 (Reuters) - Playboy Enterprises Inc. (PLA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) said on Thursday it bought Club Jenna Inc., a multimedia adult-entertainment business founded by porn star Jenna Jameson. Terms were not disclosed.

The acquisition is expected to help Playboy diversify its domestic television business and expand its network of online Web sites, Chairman and Chief Executive Christie Hefner said in a statement.

Assets purchased under the deal include a film production business, a video content library, a network of Web sites and a DVD retail distribution deal.

Jameson and her husband, Club Jenna President Jay Grdina, also have signed personal service agreements with Playboy as part of the transaction.
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Postby delphyne » Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:57 am

"her husband, Club Jenna President Jay Grdina"

Jenna's pimp. Jenna is just the frontwoman in all this.
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Postby CoolAunt » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:31 am

I thought something similar, Delphyne, but my thought was more on the conservative side than the feminist side and went something like this, "What kind of husband encourages the sexual exploitation and objectification of his wife!?" I also thought that he's a hanger-on, that if his wife hadn't made him president of her company, he'd probably have a job that requires asking the question, "Would you like fries with that?" But I suppose that pimps, manager/husbands of sex workers and Hugh Hefner are all the same; they're all making their money by exploiting women. :(
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Postby delphyne » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:57 am

From what I've read he's definitely her pimp. He manages her film career, including producing a number of porn films of her that he's held back, to be released when she retires from the business. He's like Chuck Traynor, Linda Lovelace/Boreman's husband.

This bollox that Jenna Jameson is in charge of her business is the usual trick to hide the men who are exploiting her.
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Postby MaddyH » Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:44 am

When will porn, be made illegal? This is clearly a sexaul degredation of women - which proves the inequality of women in the world and with the suposed protection women have from the government, why is this still legal? Slavery is illegal, and prostitution is illegal, so filming slavery and prostitution for profit should be an automatic.. no?

I don't get how they can have sex for money and sell it legally, it is a contradiction to the law against prostitution.
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Postby CoolAunt » Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:53 pm

MaddyH wrote:I don't get how they can have sex for money and sell it legally, it is a contradiction to the law against prostitution.

MaddyH, that one stumps me, too.
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Postby annared » Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:10 pm

Question: How many women are law makers?
"...it is the very act of women's bodies being bought and sold by men that sustains the subordinate position of women and children on a global scale". Julie Bindel ________________
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Postby oneangrygirl » Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:49 am

because it is classified as SPEECH.
how getting fucked in the ass by two guys is SPEECH, I will never understand.
I guess some slavery feels like freedom.
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Postby delphyne » Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:08 am

Me neither. Freedom of expression maybe, but that's not what's in the US constitution.

I don't know why porn is legal in the UK. Hard-core porn used to be illegal. I must find out.

I posted this article before about why pornography isn't viewed as filmed prositution. The mental gymnastics required in this line of legal reasoning are quite something -

http://rss.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/12/colb. ... index.html

The legal line between porn and prostitution

Friday, August 12, 2005; Posted: 2:20 p.m. EDT (18:20 GMT)

(FindLaw) -- Jenny Paulino stands accused of running a prostitution ring on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

Among other defense arguments, Paulino moved to dismiss the case on Equal Protection grounds. She claimed that the Manhattan District Attorney's office selectively targets "escort services" for prosecution, while ignoring distributors of adult films, who are engaged in what is essentially the same activity.

Justice Budd G. Goodman recently issued a ruling rejecting Paulino's claim, on the ground that pornography does not qualify as prostitution under the relevant New York statute.

"Prostitution," said Justice Goodman, "is and has always been intuitively defined as a bilateral exchange between a prostitute and a client." Therefore, the judge explained, the district attorney's office has not ignored one form of prostitution and pursued another, within the meaning of the law.

Though the Equal Protection argument may be weak as a matter of statutory interpretation, the distinction between prostitution and pornography is not nearly as clear as Justice Goodman suggests.

What is prostitution legally?

Most of us typically think of prostitution as involving a customer who pays a prostitute for providing sexual services. We intuit that pornography, by contrast, involves a customer paying an actor for providing sexual services to another actor.

In other words, prostitution is generally understood as the bilateral trading of sex for money, while pornography involves the customer of an adult film paying money to watch other people have sex with each other, while receiving no sexual favors himself in return.

In keeping with this distinction, notes Justice Goodman, "the pornographic motion picture industry has flourished without prosecution since its infancy."

Justice Goodman may be correct about the statute in question, although the statutory language does not help his position.

New York Penal Law defines a prostitute as a person "who engages or agrees or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee." A pornographic actor does just that: Like a more typical prostitute, he or she engages in sex in return for a fee.

Still, as Justice Goodman points out, traditional interpretations of the word "prostitute" narrow the literal definition to exempt pornography.

But that leads to another question: Does the pornography exemption make sense?

Stated differently, the District Attorney's office has perhaps correctly divined the legislative intent behind the statute at issue, but there might nonetheless be something fundamentally unfair about exempting distributors of nonobscene pornography from the vice laws.

To appreciate the unfairness, let us examine some of the arguments for this distinction.

Distinctions

Most distributors of pornography would express shock at the prospect of being prosecuted for promoting prostitution. Under Miller v. California, as long as a work, taken as a whole, has "serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value," the First Amendment protects its distribution. Given this legal principle, how could pornography be criminal, in the way that prostitution is?

The process of filming and distributing pornography is considered protected speech, under the Supreme Court's First Amendment precedents. However, the First Amendment does not insulate the commission of crime from prosecution just because someone with a camera records the crime and intends to sell that recording to customers.

In keeping with this portrayal, one could reasonably characterize pornography as the payment of prostitutes for having sex in front of a camera. Though the film itself might be protected by the First Amendment, it could constitute evidence of paid-for sexual encounters -- that is, evidence of prostitution -- if a statute were designed to extend to that sort of prostitution.

For clarification, let us take an example from another area of criminal law. Doug the drug-dealer sells Carl the customer eight ounces of marijuana. Both Doug and Carl are guilty of (different) criminal acts for having engaged in this illicit transaction. Assume that there is an audience for such transactions on reality television (all rights reserved). In anticipation of this audience, Fiona the filmmaker pays Doug and Carl to permit her to tape them carrying out their business.

Has Fiona done anything illegal? No, but neither has her First-Amendment-protected act of filming and distributing her recording altered the illegal character of Doug's and Carl's conduct. Doug and Carl may still be prosecuted for engaging in a drug transaction, despite the fact that Fiona may not be prosecuted for taping it or showing the tape.

Fiona's tape may be subpoenaed and used by the district attorney's office as evidence of the drug transactions charged against Doug and Carl.

Differences in filming

To be sure, there are some differences between Fiona and the pornography distributor, which might translate into differences between pornographic actors, on the one hand, and Doug and Carl, on the other.

In our example, Doug and Carl have engaged in a drug transaction, and the only element that Fiona has added to the mix is her filming of that transaction. In the case of pornography, however, the actors having sex are doing so precisely because they are being filmed. The taping, in other words, is not just "evidence" of their having sex; it is the entire point of that sex. In pornography, then, the recording is an integral, rather than a peripheral, part of the transaction.

What this means is that unlike Doug and Carl, the people who have sex for the camera are actors, and acting -- unlike drug-dealing or prostitution -- is part of what falls within the protection of the First Amendment.

A better analogy to pornography might therefore be a film-maker paying Doug and Carl to act as though they are dealing drugs for the camera when in fact they are not. In such a case, of course, there would be no grounds for prosecuting the two men.

Does distinction work?

The distinction between pornography and prostitution is not, however, quite so straightforward as the latter analogy suggests. A couple having actual sex for the camera -- let's call the people Jason and June -- is different from Doug and Carl pretending to deal drugs. Doug and Carl really are just acting, but having intercourse is not just acting -- it is also bona fide sex.

That is what distinguishes a pornographic film from a film in which people pretend that they're having sex when they are not. In that sense, the reality TV example of Doug and Carl may be more like adult film than it initially appeared to be. Doug and Carl truly are dealing drugs and there is also filming going on, just as Jason and June really are having sex and there is also filming going on.

Law's point of view

But why should the distinction between pretending to have sex, and actually having it, make a difference, from a legal standpoint?

The sex act is a legally significant event. If it occurs without consent, it is rape. If it takes place between a married person and a third party, it is adultery. If it occurs and leads to the birth of a child, then the man is legally responsible for that child until the age of 18. And if it happens in exchange for a fee, then it is prostitution.

Pretending to have sex, however, for a camera or in private, triggers none of these legal consequences and can therefore be characterized as mere acting.

Who is paying whom?

When pornography is correctly understood as involving real sex, the question in comparing pornography to prostitution becomes whether who is paying whom matters (or should matter) to the law. That is, should it make a difference whether Jason pays June to have sex with Jason or whether, instead, Filmore (the filmmaker) pays June to have sex with Jason?

If these two scenarios seem functionally equivalent, then there may be something seriously wrong with our laws.

Consider the following example. Jason has just turned 21, and he is a virgin. His uncle Lecher believes that Jason should have some experience with sex before he finishes college, so Lecher pays June (a family friend) to have sex with Jason. Jason happily accepts this gift, and June carries out her side of the deal.

It does seem that in this example, prostitution has taken place. The payor may not be the same person as the recipient of sexual services, but so what?

Why court protects adult movies

It's almost certain that on its current precedents, the U.S. Supreme Court would hold that garden-variety pornographic actors are indeed engaged in First-Amendment-protected activity, so long as obscenity is not involved. Odd as it may seem, what appears finally to make all of the difference is the mode of gratification for the person who is paying but not himself seeking money.

The ultimate demand for pornography comes from the viewer of pornography, and what excites him is the watching of the adult film, rather than any physical act performed on him by another person. The "enjoyment" of pornography is therefore as "speech," rather than as action.

Though real sex occurred in the making of the pornographic film, this fact is only relevant insofar as it is known (or believed) by the viewer. If, for example, the entire film were created with highly realistic computer graphics, but the viewer believed that what he saw was real, then he would enjoy the material just as much.

Because the impact of pornography occurs through the mediation of an audience witnessing a performance, rather than an audience receiving physical services from a performer, pornography and its making qualify as First-Amendment protected speech.

Does this make sense? Consider again the significance of the sexual act: legal consequences can follow from it and it can, accordingly, be regulated by the law in a variety of ways. Though two people may very much want to have sex with each other in private, the law can intervene to say that they cannot, just because one of them seeks money and the other gratification, for example.

If, however, both members of the couple are in it for the money, and there is a man with a camera taping them, then the sex is insulated by the Constitution from legal regulation.

That is in fact the law, but Jenny Paulino can hardly be faulted for calling it arbitrary."

Basically "free speech" is so important that filming illegal acts is protected. So if anybody fancies robbing a bank in the US, they should just take a film crew along to record the event and then everything will be perfectly legal.
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Postby TheArrantFeminist » Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:49 am

Wow...so complicated! To be honest, I actually do follow the sequence of logic presented as to why pornography is not prosecuted under current laws. There is simply not any law which sufficiently explicitly disallows it. I'm not saying that I think it SHOULD be protected, but I'm saying that it currently IS protected by a logical, valid interpretation of the US Constitution (at least the sections which are commonly cited in relation to the issue).

Then again...I don't know, I'm really conflicted about what should be done to remedy the situation. It might be possible to make recourse to some law protecting civil rights? Something that could sustain the interpretation that no one should be exploited in the way that women in porn are? I think our only legal chance might be to emphasize the harm to the women involved, rather than the semantics of the process of porn-making (unless a new law is passed or an old one revised).

Additionally, I also believe that we should try to focus on changing people's attitudes rather than just making things illegal. Passing a law doesn't remove the demand for something, and while it may decrease the atrocities somewhat, it isn't going to solve the problem. It would be more beneficial to get to the root of the problem by more bluntly confronting the impetus of the demand for porn, ie, men being power-needy assholes.

Then again, maybe the law is just closer to being within short-term reach, and we should aim for what we can accomplish? Or IS it even within our reach? I don't know how responsive a capitalist country's lawmakers are ever going to be to any efforts to eradicate the exploitation of poor people.

I think capitalism inherently breeds misogeny because, obviously, it naturally favors those with the most capital. As women, our very bodies are fundamentally depraved of the physical capital (strength) necessary to assert our equality to men. We will inevitably become the exploited poor, and even our monopoly on the means of reproduction becomes a tool in the hands of our oppressors.

Just take this charming, harshly accurate glimpse into the underlying motivations of male reasoning, brought to you courtesy of Freidrich Neitzsche in his essay "Beyond Good and Evil" :

"'Exploitation' is not part of a decadent or imperfect, primitive society: it is a part of the fundamental nature of living things, as its fundamental organic function; it is a consequence of the true will to power, which is simply the will to life. Assuming that this is innovative as theory--as reality it is the original fact of all history; let us at least be this honest with ourselves!"

He goes on to posit that there is no inherent right and wrong, but that different actions and attitudes are only right or wrong FOR different people, and delineates the differences between the "two basic types" of moral theory - master morality and slave morality. As I re-read this essay, I can't imagine why I've never heard anyone else ascribe this distinction to gender theory and the root of male supremacy. If interested, you can find the essay here: http://users.compaqnet.be/cn127103/Nietzsche_beyond_good_and_evil/bge_ch9_what_is_noble.htm
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