hologirl2 wrote:I know -- how can you be a feminist and go to porn stores and laugh at the titles -- i meant to put "pro porn feminist" in quotes. This girl makes rape kits and works at the local rape prevention crisis center......can you believe that? What the hell is going on if she can't see the connection between porn, women hating and rape!!!!!!!! She even told me that "I'm just as good of a feminist as you are".
This is very scary and totally f*cked up and disturbing! This woman who works at a rape crisis center doesn't understand that when men rape women they are treating them as nothing but things to f*ck,dominate,and out of hatred and dehumanization for women? The same exact way pornography treats and portrays women?!
If she or her mother,daughter,sister or friend,or women at the rape crisis center, gets raped by men who show her the pornography as has happened to women and children,and the men who sexually assault her say to her as they show her the women in the pornography,"This is all you and all you sluts whores and bitch women are for,just things to stick penises into and feel,f*ck,ejaculate all over,use and disgard,she and other trader women like her will wake up big time!
I once in 1992 spoke to Cecilia Blewer of the unfortunately now former Women Against Pornography in New York and I told her that I had spoken with a woman at an anti-sexual violence organization,and that I had told this woman that Playboy and all pornography is very sexist,and it dehumanizes women as nothing but sex objects to be used for men's pleasure and that it sexualizes male dominance and gender inequality etc,and I said to Cecilia that here I was talking about sexist inequality,and treating women as nothing but sex objects to use for men,and she acted kind of defensive like I was attacking her sexuality!
And Cecilia said to me,Because thats what many women think that sexuality *is*, and she said why do you think so many women go to Victoria's Secret and buy lingerie,to be sex objects to please their man! Just what pornography teaches! When I told her that Playboy Magazine had a over 30 year history of making jokes of rapes and murders of women and children in 1000's of cartoons,articles and some pictures,and how pornography dehumanizes women as nothing but objects to use for sex for men etc,She said that someone had written an article at the time claiming Women Against Pornography are just a bunch of prudish Victorian women who are against any nudity and sexuality,and she said thats not what we are saying at all. She said we are saying what *you're* saying,It's about inequality,degrading,and objectification,hatred of women and violence.
When I told her that I had seen an interview with former porn "star" Candida Royalle and that she claimed to be now making equal erotica for women,Cecilia said to me,She's not making equal erotica,she's a wolf in sheeps clothing,it's still pornography and it's still the same degrading f*ck scenes!
I still have an article I kept from Mademoiselle Magazine from October 1985 when I used to subscribe to it,and it was an article called Why Nice Guys Read Playboy by Peter Nelson,who regularly wrote a column for the magazine. And a woman from New Jersey wrote an angry letter and this is what she wrote"I just finished reading Peter Nelson's His column,Peter Nelson is certainly no nice guy;nor is any participant in pornography,a trade which profits from the exploitation of women.Why,I must ask does a so-called "women's magazine" feature editorials which support misogyny?Mr.Nelson's callous disregard for women is evident in his neglect to face the fact that pornography promotes rape and violence. I know because my best friend was raped by four men who used pornography as a reference guide.If a magazine such as Mademoiselle can ignore the truth about pornography and actually trivialize it's seriousness,I can only question it's editorial purpose."
In 1990 there was also a college woman who was gang raped at The University of Pennsylvania after college men had watched pornographic videos in their dorms.
If there was a 12 billion $ industry portraying blacks,and Jews to Whites and German and Christians as just sex objects to use for them,calling them hateful names,nobody would say it's liberating for them! Nor would it be so acceptable and mainstreamed!